In the second part of this interview, Besê Hozat spoke in detail about Hizbulkontra, its role and allies.

The first part of the interview can be read here

A new threat to the Kurdish people and their freedom movement is developing, or rather an old threat is being revived by the Turkish state – Hizbulkontra, which you have already mentioned. Can you tell us a little about what they are and why they should be seen as a danger?

Hizbulkontra is a force organized by the Turkish Special Warfare Department. It worked as a branch of JITEM for years. It was used as a trigger force against patriots in Kurdistan in the 90s, and they brutally murdered thousands of patriots. Many intellectuals, religious people, and patriots, generally Kurdish society, were tried to be intimidated. They wanted to break the will of the people. A great fear was wanted to be created in Kurdistan. When the international conspiracy developed and Rêber Apo was taken hostage, the Turkish state hoped that the freedom movement would be liquidated. At the same time, they started to worry about Hizbulkontra because they had created a mass of notoriously brutal killers that were now of no use to them anymore. That is why some assassinations were carried out by JITEM.

The assassination of Gaffar Okan was actually a plan of them so that the state could go after Hizbulkontra, using it as justification. Their leaders were killed; some of them were arrested. They were tried to be neutralized in this way for fear of posing a threat to the state. They were kept inside for years. But then they realized that the PKK was not liquidated. After the conspiracy, the PKK continued its struggle by growing and spreading in Rêber Apo’s line of resistance, following the new paradigm of the Democratic Nation. The movement had turned into one struggle for the whole region and the whole world.

Both AKP and Erdogan are kept in power to liquidate the movement and bring the Kurdish genocide policy to a conclusion. They have been waging war against the movement for years, by all means and methods. But they failed to get results, and the Turkish state needed this contrastructure again. It released the Hizbulkontra agents it had arrested. It opened space for them in Kurdistan and provided them with a lot of material means. In the last general elections, the AKP carried four of them into parliament. In order to win the municipalities, they carried out serious work with the support of the state in Elih (tr. Batman), Merdin (tr. Mardin), Amed, and some other cities in Kurdistan. The AKP-MHP fascist regime opened all kinds of opportunities to them. In some places, the people who were elected as so-called deputies mainly shifted AKP votes to them. They brought them back, and now they try to present them everywhere. The fascist government took them on the anniversary of Milazagir (tr. Malazgirt). In Ahlat, Erdogan, Devlet Bahçeli, the leader of Hizbulkontra, and the force commanders of the Turkish army posed together. What does that picture express? That is the picture of the anti-Kurdish, genocidal, and colonialist Turkish fascist state.

Hizbulkontra was an organization of the Special Warfare Department from the beginning. It worked together with JITEM. And now they need it again because they cannot cope with the movement. They fought with all kinds of weapons; they couldn’t get results. Now they took Hizbulkontra, this triggering force, and released them again. They want to use it as a political and military force against the freedom movement, against the patriotic Kurdish people. The fact that the leader of Hizbulkontra arrived in Hewler immediately afterward and met with the other contrastructure in southern Kurdistan, the leader of the treacherous traitor-agent network, already completes this picture.

Hizbulkontra has nothing to do with Kurdishness or Islam. They also have nothing to do with Islam. They exploit the religious feelings of the Kurdish people. For years, the AKP has been exploiting Islam under the mask of religion and trying to use Islam as a weapon against society in Turkey, against the Kurdish society, and against society in the Middle East. Just as Erdogan’s religion and faith are money and power, Hizbulkontra’s only religion and faith is being a hitman for the Turkish state. I don’t speak about power, because they are not given that kind any. They are solely hitmen. They will use them, and then they will liquidate them again.

Our people must wage a strong struggle against this paramilitary force, against this force that is hostile to the people and that has become a part of the genocide policies and the war. The free press must expose them. I find the efforts of the free press in this regard very insufficient. This is a very dangerous structure. Right now, the Turkish state cannot cope with the Kurdish Freedom Movement. For ten years, it has been waging a war of genocide. It has been waging it with all kinds of techniques, all kinds of dirty ways and methods. It has used chemical weapons and thermobaric bombs.

They took the KDP with them, had an ISIS attack, and made Iraq a partner. They realized that they did not achieve anything, so they have now brought Hezbulkontra back on stage in the political and military arena. Hizbulkontra is now seriously organized in southern Kurdistan. They are organizing agents in southern Kurdistan, in Rojava, and in North and East Syria. They are trying to develop a network of agents. That is why they have opened an office in southern Kurdistan. The Turkish intelligence, the Barzanis, and Hizbulkontra meet every day. They meet, plan, and act together, and fight against the freedom movement. A serious political, ideological, and social struggle must be waged against this very dangerous structure.

How should the AKP’s role be seen in the concept of the international struggle against the Kurdish liberation movement?

The AKP is a project by the US, Britain and Israel, that was brought to power in 2002 on the basis of one goal – to liquidate the freedom movement. They wanted to eliminate all democratic revolutionary dynamics in Kurdistan and the Middle East in the 2000s. The stage of the Third World War made this necessary out of their perspective. The international conspiracy was developed as an important stage of the Third World War. The US was going to make a serious intervention in the Middle East, in the center of Iraq. They did not want the freedom movement and the revolutionary democratic forces in the region to take advantage of the upcoming crisis and chaos created by the Third World War, so they launched the international conspiracy. They did not want a democratic revolution to develop in Kurdistan and they did not want a democratic revolution in the Middle East to develop. The democratization of Turkey and the democratization of the Middle East was seen as a danger and a problem for international capitalist modernity, for the global capitalist imperialist system. Therefore, they brought the AKP to power. Through the AKP, they tried to control the Kurds by abusing religion and the Islamic.

Since most of Middle Eastern society believes in Islam, they wanted to control the Middle East through Turkey through AKP. They wanted to carry out their intervention in the Middle East in a comfortable way by creating the grounds and conditions for it. Therefore, AKP was developed as a project. While the AKP came to power in Turkey, it had a serious relationship with the deep state. They together gained power. The deep state is NATO’s Gladio structure in Turkey. This goes without saying. In order to achieve its goals, AKP started organizing ISIS. It did so from the very beginning. And the deep state and the Turkish Gladio supported the AKP and paved the way for it.

That two-and-a-half-year dialog process that some people call the “solution process” was a tactic. Because the AKP government was in a serious crisis at that time. There had been a revolution; it upset their balance; it turned everything upside down. They were in a serious conflict with the Fethullah Gulen sect. The guerrilla struggle had become very strong. The Revolutionary People’s War was serious. This shook their foundation. So it developed that tactical process. But the AKP never deviated from its goal. The AKP exhausted all its arguments in this process. And after 2015, it fell from power. When it fell from power, they organized the so-called coup attempt of February 15. They needed something like this in a controlled manner. Through it, they were able to declare martial law and seize everything. The AKP seized the entire state. It also developed an alliance with the MHP. On the basis of its own ideology and understanding, it attempted to restructure all the institutions in Turkey with its army, police, judiciary, parliament, education, everything. On that basis, they also wanted to make a new constitution. They tried to establish a fascist, dictatorial constitutional system in Turkey. “This will be the new century of Turkey,” Erdogan said. As a date, he targeted the 1000th anniversary of the 1071 Milazagir Victory. “Until that year,” he said, “AKP will fully establish its hegemony. I will be the second Ataturk.” He set out with such motivation, with such a purpose.

So, what is the current stage? The current stage is a complete collapse. He needs to liquidate the freedom movement. This is his main obstacle. He cannot bring the Kurdish genocide to a conclusion without liquidating the freedom movement. Without it, he cannot completely build his fascist, dictatorial constitutional system in Turkey. The Kurdish people developed a great resistance together with their international friends against the AKP-MHP fascist government, the deep state of Turkey, and Gladio that have been running Turkey since 2015. At the current stage, the AKP is experiencing a major collapse.

There has been a serious meltdown within the AKP for years. Many Kurds, many liberals who believed in the AKP, who thought the AKP was liberal and democratic, who really believed that it would solve Turkey’s problems, especially the Kurdish question, broke away from it after it was unmasked, after its true face was revealed. All the rent-seeking, plundering, racist, chauvinist, and fascist cliques gathered around the AKP. And now there is a clash of power between them. There is a power conflict within the AKP-MHP-Ergenekon-ISIS alliance within the Turkish state, within the regime. There is a problem with rent sharing. In order to liquidate the freedom movement, in order to bring the Kurdish genocide policies to a conclusion, they insistently keep the AKP alive; they are trying to keep Erdogan in power so that they can bring this plan to a conclusion.

They constantly cover up those conflicts; they constantly divert the agenda. For example, the AKP media report 24/7 on the Gaza conflict, but you look in vain for reports on the genocidal war they themselves are waging, the massacres, and the persecution of Kurdish society for which they are responsible. There is a great economic collapse in Turkey; there is terrible impoverishment, and they are trying to cover it up. There is a terrible moral collapse; they are trying to cover it up. There is a terrible political crisis; there is an intra-state conflict; they are trying to cover it up. There are protests everywhere; workers, laborers, environmentalists, and pensioners have risen up; everyone is in revolt; society is going insane; and families are committing mass suicide.

They cover up all of this. They say that the Third World War may break out in the near future. But there has been World War III for more than 35 years. In order to cover up all this, they discuss Gaza; they discuss the question of who will be the president in the CHP; they discuss the fight against terrorism; they propagandize weapons and UCAVs. They are trying to cover up all the problems, trying to deflect the agenda. This is an expression of collapse in Turkey. The picture in Ahlat is a picture of the collapse of the Turkish genocide regime, the AKP-MHP-Hizbulkontra-Ergenekon regime. It is the declaration of this.